HeJustDontCare: tv is regulated, that’s a far cry from being controlled

HoracePeckerwood: You have a computer, for instance, without laws the internet wouldn't exist.

EPPERSONRA:  CHARNO: please explain how we can navigate without traffic lights
EPPERSONRA:     TRAFFIC LIGHTS are govt. Yes, I believe in private property, but I forsee problems if stop lights are privately run
CHARNO4:    your stupid comments are entertaining.
EPPERSONRA:   it is not me suggesting that we allow people to put up stoplights.

SeanSt8579:     jamie, how about no one paying taxes
Jamie090381:     1/2 of America would die

Under the category Every-Once-in-a-While-an-Authoritarian-Tells-the-Truth, here
one of the state-worshippers lets fly a Freudian slip that reveals what they
believe about our property:

Agent86: When was the last time the IRS repossessed any of his property for
nonpayment of taxes?

He apparently thinks the IRS doles out property to us and then if we don't
behave ourselves, they get to take it back.

Agent86: Actually Billy, I thought about the use of that word when I typed it. I
knew it wasn't quite the right word to use but in my haste at the time,
couldn't think of a better one. The correct word is "seized".

He thought about it and STILL couldn't find a better word. Hmm-m-m . . .

OnryAnRkst: Your idea of pan-"government" is loony.
JPJaubert: govt. = organizations resulting from the existence of  large scale cooperative goals.
OnryAnRkst: General Motors fits that description, JP.
JPJaubert: wherever large scale shared/cooperative goals are pursued or obtained, then there are governments.
OnryAnRkst: I don't believe GM is "government."
JPJaubert: large scalle goals are pursued and obtained, therefore, there are governments.
JPJaubert: ONry, yes, GM is a government.

OnryAnRkst: I mean, I thought you believed the "law" is legitimate, and that you owe it to your
country to pay taxes, and such.
MajorTomsCapsule: I know too much about US Gov to have any lasting respect for it
Onry, we should pay taxes for schools, roads, law enforcement, etc..... but there are
hundreds of things our taxes are squandered on. You have to have taxation though

OnryAnRkst: I don't believe theft is a human need.
MajorTomsCapsule: Onry, it can be

OnryAnRkst: I'm sure some people can justify it in their minds.
MajorTomsCapsule: in fact, in America Theft is probably in the top 10 of most frequent occupations

OnryAnRkst: That doesn't mean it's necessary.
MajorTomsCapsule: Onry, that means it is most certainly necessary

OnryAnRkst: Sorry. I disagree.
MajorTomsCapsule: many people would not survive if not for stealing what they need

OnryAnRkst: In your opinion, Wiz, is it RIGHT to punish someone for breaking a "law" that is wrong?
Wizrd75: no onry

OnryAnRkst: That's what I'm asking YOU Wiz, who determines what's "right"?
Wizrd75: onry in our society its the majority

OnryAnRkst: Wiz, is the law and the will of the people always RIGHT?
Wizrd75: no onry

OnryAnRkst: When the "majority" disagrees with the bible, Wiz, which one decides then?
Wizrd75: onry the Bible

Stevenyale: stopping the government from violating rights is one good purpose of law
OnryAnRkst: Who makes "laws," Steven?
Stevenyale: It's true, some laws protect rights, some violate them. guess which ones I like
OnryAnRkst: Who makes the laws, Steven?
Stevenyale: Government.

OnryAnRkst: 2b) You and I enter into an agreement to rob Dan Evans of his
wallet. I renege. Do you have the right to enforce that agreement?
Yes__ No__

Ed Senter: Yes

And a little later . . .

OnryAnRkst: So, it isn't the majority [that alters right and wrong]. Now we're getting
somewhere. Are you saying that god writes the law?

Ed Senter: I am saying that might makes right.

OnryAnRkst: AB, was the church RIGHT when it had the power to enforce its commandments?
ABaatw: of course the church was right, they HAD the might and subjectively they had the morality to reinforce that sense of correctness

Mphs4Star: afk....work to do......REMEMBER, to report anarchist/terrorists.....go to FBI.com.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal

Disker007: Onry, my point is that unless you are a hermit you can never be an anarchist
because you were born into a society at birth called a family, and unless you exclude everyone
from your life you can never be or see anarchy
OnryAnRkst: Disker, how is billions of people, each using various systems of control, any different from anarchy?

Disker007: it is different from anarchy in the very fact that all these systems have control over the person in that society
OnryAnRkst: Disker, how is six billion different organisms using literally millions of systems of control any
different from anarchy?

Disker007: Onry, you have to remember that those societies do not compete against each other
OnryAnRkst: They don't?

Disker007: you can be a member of a chess club and a bowling team at the same time
without conflict, and both have control over a part of your life when you are in that activity
OnryAnRkst: You're claiming the chess club is "government," Disker?

Disker007: of course it is onry . . .it has rules you have to obey to be a member . . .

This gem came from a tax newsgroup, and is the opinion
of a self-styled "expert" on the income tax:
Q:    Do you believe the law or the corrupt judges who work
for the IRS?

”Expert”:    "There are no judges in the US who work for the IRS.
Judges work for the Judiciary Branch of the US Government.
The IRS is part of the US Treasury, part of the Adminstrative
Branch of the Government."